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We are deploying 5 node openstack cloud for internal use and wondering
what method we should use, initial test was on RDO packstack but i
heard packstack isn't good for production, some people on google
suggesting using triplo. I found its little complicated because you
need one more extra server run undercloud openstack to deploy
overcloud openstack, should i really use triplo or is there any other
and easy method which can allow us to upgrade in future also.


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asked Jul 25, 2017 in openstack by Satish_Patel (4,280 points)   1 9 14

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This is a religious discussion for most, but I would suggest Kolla. It
takes out a lot of the guess work, has a good upgrade mechanism, and is
well supported by the community via mailing list and ORC. Take a look.

-Erik

On Jun 20, 2017 7:15 PM, "Satish Patel" satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:

We are deploying 5 node openstack cloud for internal use and wondering
what method we should use, initial test was on RDO packstack but i
heard packstack isn't good for production, some people on google
suggesting using triplo. I found its little complicated because you
need one more extra server run undercloud openstack to deploy
overcloud openstack, should i really use triplo or is there any other
and easy method which can allow us to upgrade in future also.


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responded Jun 20, 2017 by Erik_McCormick (3,880 points)   2 3
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There are definitely 1,001 opinions on what is “best”. We use RDO at Overstock and we use home-grown puppet modules because we do our own puppet modules for everything else we do here. We based everything around the official Openstack install documents and we do it because we want to fully understand everything we can instead of treating it like a black box that knows how to do the magic.

However, there are lots of options out there - ansible, kolla, puppet plus vendor-specific options too like those provided by Mirantis. If there are config management tools (ansible, puppet, etc) that you already use, you may want to check out the Openstack options for those. You are correct that that packstack is more of a ‘all-in-one-server’ installer for a quick POC. It can to more, but I think RDO recommends “Triple-O” (which stands for Openstack-on-Openstack) for production RDO deploys. Since they are affiliated with RedHat, they would also lean heavily towards the Ansible option as well.

Good luck!

Mike Smith
Overstock Cloud Team

On Jun 20, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Erik McCormick emccormick@cirrusseven.com wrote:

This is a religious discussion for most, but I would suggest Kolla. It takes out a lot of the guess work, has a good upgrade mechanism, and is well supported by the community via mailing list and ORC. Take a look.

-Erik

On Jun 20, 2017 7:15 PM, "Satish Patel" satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:
We are deploying 5 node openstack cloud for internal use and wondering
what method we should use, initial test was on RDO packstack but i
heard packstack isn't good for production, some people on google
suggesting using triplo. I found its little complicated because you
need one more extra server run undercloud openstack to deploy
overcloud openstack, should i really use triplo or is there any other
and easy method which can allow us to upgrade in future also.


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responded Jun 21, 2017 by Mike_Smith (2,280 points)   1 2
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I worked for Red Hat and they really want to get ooo going because the installation tools did never work as everyone was hoping. Before Red Hat I was at Mirantis and the fuel installation was nice now dead. I know ooo will go into containers next couple of release but kolla–Ansible is one of the emerging solutions now to get it out fast.

I am doing a project now where I am working on deploying ooo just finished the doc for Ocata undercloud.

Just my two cents to concord with Mike’s statement.

Remo

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 20 giu 2017, alle ore 20:51, Mike Smith mismith@overstock.com ha scritto:

There are definitely 1,001 opinions on what is “best”. We use RDO at Overstock and we use home-grown puppet modules because we do our own puppet modules for everything else we do here. We based everything around the official Openstack install documents and we do it because we want to fully understand everything we can instead of treating it like a black box that knows how to do the magic.

However, there are lots of options out there - ansible, kolla, puppet plus vendor-specific options too like those provided by Mirantis. If there are config management tools (ansible, puppet, etc) that you already use, you may want to check out the Openstack options for those. You are correct that that packstack is more of a ‘all-in-one-server’ installer for a quick POC. It can to more, but I think RDO recommends “Triple-O” (which stands for Openstack-on-Openstack) for production RDO deploys. Since they are affiliated with RedHat, they would also lean heavily towards the Ansible option as well.

Good luck!

Mike Smith
Overstock Cloud Team

On Jun 20, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Erik McCormick emccormick@cirrusseven.com wrote:

This is a religious discussion for most, but I would suggest Kolla. It takes out a lot of the guess work, has a good upgrade mechanism, and is well supported by the community via mailing list and ORC. Take a look.

-Erik

On Jun 20, 2017 7:15 PM, "Satish Patel" satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:
We are deploying 5 node openstack cloud for internal use and wondering
what method we should use, initial test was on RDO packstack but i
heard packstack isn't good for production, some people on google
suggesting using triplo. I found its little complicated because you
need one more extra server run undercloud openstack to deploy
overcloud openstack, should i really use triplo or is there any other
and easy method which can allow us to upgrade in future also.


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responded Jun 21, 2017 by Remo_Mattei (10,500 points)   1 2 3
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At HPE we originally used TripleO but switched to a 'flat' model.

I personally didn't see any advantage to Triple O. In theory, it should be
easier to manage and upgrade. In the real world, Helion 3.0 and 4.0 are
superior in every respect.

John

On Jun 20, 2017 9:02 PM, "Remo Mattei" remo@italy1.com wrote:

I worked for Red Hat and they really want to get ooo going because the
installation tools did never work as everyone was hoping. Before Red Hat I
was at Mirantis and the fuel installation was nice now dead. I know ooo
will go into containers next couple of release but kolla–Ansible is one of
the emerging solutions now to get it out fast.

I am doing a project now where I am working on deploying ooo just finished
the doc for Ocata undercloud.

Just my two cents to concord with Mike’s statement.

Remo

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Il giorno 20 giu 2017, alle ore 20:51, Mike Smith mismith@overstock.com
ha scritto:

There are definitely 1,001 opinions on what is “best”. We use RDO at
Overstock and we use home-grown puppet modules because we do our own puppet
modules for everything else we do here. We based everything around the
official Openstack install documents and we do it because we want to
fully understand everything we can instead of treating it like a black
box that knows how to do the magic.

However, there are lots of options out there - ansible, kolla, puppet plus
vendor-specific options too like those provided by Mirantis. If there are
config management tools (ansible, puppet, etc) that you already use, you
may want to check out the Openstack options for those. You are correct
that that packstack is more of a ‘all-in-one-server’ installer for a quick
POC. It can to more, but I think RDO recommends “Triple-O” (which stands
for Openstack-on-Openstack) for production RDO deploys. Since they are
affiliated with RedHat, they would also lean heavily towards the Ansible
option as well.

Good luck!

Mike Smith
Overstock Cloud Team

On Jun 20, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Erik McCormick emccormick@cirrusseven.com
wrote:

This is a religious discussion for most, but I would suggest Kolla. It
takes out a lot of the guess work, has a good upgrade mechanism, and is
well supported by the community via mailing list and ORC. Take a look.

-Erik

On Jun 20, 2017 7:15 PM, "Satish Patel" satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:

We are deploying 5 node openstack cloud for internal use and wondering
what method we should use, initial test was on RDO packstack but i
heard packstack isn't good for production, some people on google
suggesting using triplo. I found its little complicated because you
need one more extra server run undercloud openstack to deploy
overcloud openstack, should i really use triplo or is there any other
and easy method which can allow us to upgrade in future also.


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responded Jun 21, 2017 by John_van_Ommen (1,100 points)   1 1
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I did a deployment with cs9 hp it was pretty bad. I hope the new one does better.

Nevertheless I do not see many using hp out there. Maybe different regions like emea do better with that.

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 20 giu 2017, alle ore 21:10, John van Ommen john.vanommen@gmail.com ha scritto:

At HPE we originally used TripleO but switched to a 'flat' model.

I personally didn't see any advantage to Triple O. In theory, it should be easier to manage and upgrade. In the real world, Helion 3.0 and 4.0 are superior in every respect.

John

On Jun 20, 2017 9:02 PM, "Remo Mattei" remo@italy1.com wrote:
I worked for Red Hat and they really want to get ooo going because the installation tools did never work as everyone was hoping. Before Red Hat I was at Mirantis and the fuel installation was nice now dead. I know ooo will go into containers next couple of release but kolla–Ansible is one of the emerging solutions now to get it out fast.

I am doing a project now where I am working on deploying ooo just finished the doc for Ocata undercloud.

Just my two cents to concord with Mike’s statement.

Remo

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Il giorno 20 giu 2017, alle ore 20:51, Mike Smith mismith@overstock.com ha scritto:

There are definitely 1,001 opinions on what is “best”. We use RDO at Overstock and we use home-grown puppet modules because we do our own puppet modules for everything else we do here. We based everything around the official Openstack install documents and we do it because we want to fully understand everything we can instead of treating it like a black box that knows how to do the magic.

However, there are lots of options out there - ansible, kolla, puppet plus vendor-specific options too like those provided by Mirantis. If there are config management tools (ansible, puppet, etc) that you already use, you may want to check out the Openstack options for those. You are correct that that packstack is more of a ‘all-in-one-server’ installer for a quick POC. It can to more, but I think RDO recommends “Triple-O” (which stands for Openstack-on-Openstack) for production RDO deploys. Since they are affiliated with RedHat, they would also lean heavily towards the Ansible option as well.

Good luck!

Mike Smith
Overstock Cloud Team

On Jun 20, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Erik McCormick emccormick@cirrusseven.com wrote:

This is a religious discussion for most, but I would suggest Kolla. It takes out a lot of the guess work, has a good upgrade mechanism, and is well supported by the community via mailing list and ORC. Take a look.

-Erik

On Jun 20, 2017 7:15 PM, "Satish Patel" satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:
We are deploying 5 node openstack cloud for internal use and wondering
what method we should use, initial test was on RDO packstack but i
heard packstack isn't good for production, some people on google
suggesting using triplo. I found its little complicated because you
need one more extra server run undercloud openstack to deploy
overcloud openstack, should i really use triplo or is there any other
and easy method which can allow us to upgrade in future also.


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responded Jun 21, 2017 by Remo_Mattei (10,500 points)   1 2 3
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Thank you all of you for your opinion, As mike suggested i am also
planning to brew home grown puppet module to understand each and every
component and their role instead of grabbing third party tool, I am
sure OOO is best for 100 deploying 100 compute node but in my setup we
have only 5 servers and its not worth it to manage undercloud server.

We are puppet shop so it would be easy to write own code and go from there.

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 1:25 AM, Remo Mattei remo@italy1.com wrote:
I did a deployment with cs9 hp it was pretty bad. I hope the new one does
better.

Nevertheless I do not see many using hp out there. Maybe different regions
like emea do better with that.

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 20 giu 2017, alle ore 21:10, John van Ommen
john.vanommen@gmail.com ha scritto:

At HPE we originally used TripleO but switched to a 'flat' model.

I personally didn't see any advantage to Triple O. In theory, it should be
easier to manage and upgrade. In the real world, Helion 3.0 and 4.0 are
superior in every respect.

John

On Jun 20, 2017 9:02 PM, "Remo Mattei" remo@italy1.com wrote:

I worked for Red Hat and they really want to get ooo going because the
installation tools did never work as everyone was hoping. Before Red Hat I
was at Mirantis and the fuel installation was nice now dead. I know ooo will
go into containers next couple of release but kolla–Ansible is one of the
emerging solutions now to get it out fast.

I am doing a project now where I am working on deploying ooo just finished
the doc for Ocata undercloud.

Just my two cents to concord with Mike’s statement.

Remo

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 20 giu 2017, alle ore 20:51, Mike Smith mismith@overstock.com
ha scritto:

There are definitely 1,001 opinions on what is “best”. We use RDO at
Overstock and we use home-grown puppet modules because we do our own puppet
modules for everything else we do here. We based everything around the
official Openstack install documents and we do it because we want to fully
understand everything we can instead of treating it like a black box that
knows how to do the magic.

However, there are lots of options out there - ansible, kolla, puppet plus
vendor-specific options too like those provided by Mirantis. If there are
config management tools (ansible, puppet, etc) that you already use, you may
want to check out the Openstack options for those. You are correct that
that packstack is more of a ‘all-in-one-server’ installer for a quick POC.
It can to more, but I think RDO recommends “Triple-O” (which stands for
Openstack-on-Openstack) for production RDO deploys. Since they are
affiliated with RedHat, they would also lean heavily towards the Ansible
option as well.

Good luck!

Mike Smith
Overstock Cloud Team

On Jun 20, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Erik McCormick emccormick@cirrusseven.com
wrote:

This is a religious discussion for most, but I would suggest Kolla. It
takes out a lot of the guess work, has a good upgrade mechanism, and is well
supported by the community via mailing list and ORC. Take a look.

-Erik

On Jun 20, 2017 7:15 PM, "Satish Patel" satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:

We are deploying 5 node openstack cloud for internal use and wondering
what method we should use, initial test was on RDO packstack but i
heard packstack isn't good for production, some people on google
suggesting using triplo. I found its little complicated because you
need one more extra server run undercloud openstack to deploy
overcloud openstack, should i really use triplo or is there any other
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responded Jun 21, 2017 by Satish_Patel (4,280 points)   1 9 14
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If you are a Puppet shop you should check out the Puppet community modules.
You will get familiar with all the inner goo as you'll need your own
composition layer (in my case a series of hiera files). There's no reason
to reinvent the wheel unless you really want to.

-Erik

On Jun 21, 2017 2:19 PM, "Satish Patel" satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you all of you for your opinion, As mike suggested i am also
planning to brew home grown puppet module to understand each and every
component and their role instead of grabbing third party tool, I am
sure OOO is best for 100 deploying 100 compute node but in my setup we
have only 5 servers and its not worth it to manage undercloud server.

We are puppet shop so it would be easy to write own code and go from there.

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 1:25 AM, Remo Mattei remo@italy1.com wrote:

I did a deployment with cs9 hp it was pretty bad. I hope the new one does
better.

Nevertheless I do not see many using hp out there. Maybe different
regions
like emea do better with that.

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 20 giu 2017, alle ore 21:10, John van Ommen
john.vanommen@gmail.com ha scritto:

At HPE we originally used TripleO but switched to a 'flat' model.

I personally didn't see any advantage to Triple O. In theory, it should
be
easier to manage and upgrade. In the real world, Helion 3.0 and 4.0 are
superior in every respect.

John

On Jun 20, 2017 9:02 PM, "Remo Mattei" remo@italy1.com wrote:

I worked for Red Hat and they really want to get ooo going because the
installation tools did never work as everyone was hoping. Before Red
Hat I
was at Mirantis and the fuel installation was nice now dead. I know ooo
will
go into containers next couple of release but kolla–Ansible is one of
the
emerging solutions now to get it out fast.

I am doing a project now where I am working on deploying ooo just
finished
the doc for Ocata undercloud.

Just my two cents to concord with Mike’s statement.

Remo

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 20 giu 2017, alle ore 20:51, Mike Smith <
mismith@overstock.com>
ha scritto:

There are definitely 1,001 opinions on what is “best”. We use RDO at
Overstock and we use home-grown puppet modules because we do our own
puppet
modules for everything else we do here. We based everything around the
official Openstack install documents and we do it because we want to
fully
understand everything we can instead of treating it like a black box
that
knows how to do the magic.

However, there are lots of options out there - ansible, kolla, puppet
plus
vendor-specific options too like those provided by Mirantis. If there
are
config management tools (ansible, puppet, etc) that you already use,
you may
want to check out the Openstack options for those. You are correct that
that packstack is more of a ‘all-in-one-server’ installer for a quick
POC.
It can to more, but I think RDO recommends “Triple-O” (which stands for
Openstack-on-Openstack) for production RDO deploys. Since they are
affiliated with RedHat, they would also lean heavily towards the Ansible
option as well.

Good luck!

Mike Smith
Overstock Cloud Team

On Jun 20, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Erik McCormick <emccormick@cirrusseven.com

wrote:

This is a religious discussion for most, but I would suggest Kolla. It
takes out a lot of the guess work, has a good upgrade mechanism, and is
well
supported by the community via mailing list and ORC. Take a look.

-Erik

On Jun 20, 2017 7:15 PM, "Satish Patel" satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:

We are deploying 5 node openstack cloud for internal use and wondering
what method we should use, initial test was on RDO packstack but i
heard packstack isn't good for production, some people on google
suggesting using triplo. I found its little complicated because you
need one more extra server run undercloud openstack to deploy
overcloud openstack, should i really use triplo or is there any other
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responded Jun 21, 2017 by Erik_McCormick (3,880 points)   2 3
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I couldn't agree more. OpenStack deployment is not a trivial task. Do not
reinvent the wheel.

John

On Jun 21, 2017 12:04 PM, "Erik McCormick" emccormick@cirrusseven.com
wrote:

If you are a Puppet shop you should check out the Puppet community
modules. You will get familiar with all the inner goo as you'll need your
own composition layer (in my case a series of hiera files). There's no
reason to reinvent the wheel unless you really want to.

-Erik

On Jun 21, 2017 2:19 PM, "Satish Patel" satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you all of you for your opinion, As mike suggested i am also
planning to brew home grown puppet module to understand each and every
component and their role instead of grabbing third party tool, I am
sure OOO is best for 100 deploying 100 compute node but in my setup we
have only 5 servers and its not worth it to manage undercloud server.

We are puppet shop so it would be easy to write own code and go from
there.

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 1:25 AM, Remo Mattei remo@italy1.com wrote:

I did a deployment with cs9 hp it was pretty bad. I hope the new one
does
better.

Nevertheless I do not see many using hp out there. Maybe different
regions
like emea do better with that.

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 20 giu 2017, alle ore 21:10, John van Ommen
john.vanommen@gmail.com ha scritto:

At HPE we originally used TripleO but switched to a 'flat' model.

I personally didn't see any advantage to Triple O. In theory, it should
be
easier to manage and upgrade. In the real world, Helion 3.0 and 4.0 are
superior in every respect.

John

On Jun 20, 2017 9:02 PM, "Remo Mattei" remo@italy1.com wrote:

I worked for Red Hat and they really want to get ooo going because the
installation tools did never work as everyone was hoping. Before Red
Hat I
was at Mirantis and the fuel installation was nice now dead. I know
ooo will
go into containers next couple of release but kolla–Ansible is one of
the
emerging solutions now to get it out fast.

I am doing a project now where I am working on deploying ooo just
finished
the doc for Ocata undercloud.

Just my two cents to concord with Mike’s statement.

Remo

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 20 giu 2017, alle ore 20:51, Mike Smith <
mismith@overstock.com>
ha scritto:

There are definitely 1,001 opinions on what is “best”. We use RDO at
Overstock and we use home-grown puppet modules because we do our own
puppet
modules for everything else we do here. We based everything around the
official Openstack install documents and we do it because we want to
fully
understand everything we can instead of treating it like a black box
that
knows how to do the magic.

However, there are lots of options out there - ansible, kolla, puppet
plus
vendor-specific options too like those provided by Mirantis. If there
are
config management tools (ansible, puppet, etc) that you already use,
you may
want to check out the Openstack options for those. You are correct
that
that packstack is more of a ‘all-in-one-server’ installer for a quick
POC.
It can to more, but I think RDO recommends “Triple-O” (which stands for
Openstack-on-Openstack) for production RDO deploys. Since they are
affiliated with RedHat, they would also lean heavily towards the
Ansible
option as well.

Good luck!

Mike Smith
Overstock Cloud Team

On Jun 20, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Erik McCormick <
emccormick@cirrusseven.com>
wrote:

This is a religious discussion for most, but I would suggest Kolla. It
takes out a lot of the guess work, has a good upgrade mechanism, and
is well
supported by the community via mailing list and ORC. Take a look.

-Erik

On Jun 20, 2017 7:15 PM, "Satish Patel" satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:

We are deploying 5 node openstack cloud for internal use and wondering
what method we should use, initial test was on RDO packstack but i
heard packstack isn't good for production, some people on google
suggesting using triplo. I found its little complicated because you
need one more extra server run undercloud openstack to deploy
overcloud openstack, should i really use triplo or is there any other
and easy method which can allow us to upgrade in future also.


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responded Jun 21, 2017 by John_van_Ommen (1,100 points)   1 1
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Agree you should definitely check out what is already out there in community if you are starting from scratch. In our specific case, we do our puppet configs manually because 1) we are still on puppet v3 for everything else and 2) we have been doing it this way since Folsom and it’s worked well.

We are about to build another new cluster on Ocata and I think for that one I will try and leverage more of the community puppet stuff if possible.

On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:49 PM, John van Ommen john.vanommen@gmail.com wrote:

I couldn't agree more. OpenStack deployment is not a trivial task. Do not reinvent the wheel.

John

On Jun 21, 2017 12:04 PM, "Erik McCormick" emccormick@cirrusseven.com wrote:
If you are a Puppet shop you should check out the Puppet community modules. You will get familiar with all the inner goo as you'll need your own composition layer (in my case a series of hiera files). There's no reason to reinvent the wheel unless you really want to.

-Erik

On Jun 21, 2017 2:19 PM, "Satish Patel" satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you all of you for your opinion, As mike suggested i am also
planning to brew home grown puppet module to understand each and every
component and their role instead of grabbing third party tool, I am
sure OOO is best for 100 deploying 100 compute node but in my setup we
have only 5 servers and its not worth it to manage undercloud server.

We are puppet shop so it would be easy to write own code and go from there.

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 1:25 AM, Remo Mattei remo@italy1.com wrote:
I did a deployment with cs9 hp it was pretty bad. I hope the new one does
better.

Nevertheless I do not see many using hp out there. Maybe different regions
like emea do better with that.

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 20 giu 2017, alle ore 21:10, John van Ommen
john.vanommen@gmail.com ha scritto:

At HPE we originally used TripleO but switched to a 'flat' model.

I personally didn't see any advantage to Triple O. In theory, it should be
easier to manage and upgrade. In the real world, Helion 3.0 and 4.0 are
superior in every respect.

John

On Jun 20, 2017 9:02 PM, "Remo Mattei" remo@italy1.com wrote:

I worked for Red Hat and they really want to get ooo going because the
installation tools did never work as everyone was hoping. Before Red Hat I
was at Mirantis and the fuel installation was nice now dead. I know ooo will
go into containers next couple of release but kolla–Ansible is one of the
emerging solutions now to get it out fast.

I am doing a project now where I am working on deploying ooo just finished
the doc for Ocata undercloud.

Just my two cents to concord with Mike’s statement.

Remo

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 20 giu 2017, alle ore 20:51, Mike Smith mismith@overstock.com
ha scritto:

There are definitely 1,001 opinions on what is “best”. We use RDO at
Overstock and we use home-grown puppet modules because we do our own puppet
modules for everything else we do here. We based everything around the
official Openstack install documents and we do it because we want to fully
understand everything we can instead of treating it like a black box that
knows how to do the magic.

However, there are lots of options out there - ansible, kolla, puppet plus
vendor-specific options too like those provided by Mirantis. If there are
config management tools (ansible, puppet, etc) that you already use, you may
want to check out the Openstack options for those. You are correct that
that packstack is more of a ‘all-in-one-server’ installer for a quick POC.
It can to more, but I think RDO recommends “Triple-O” (which stands for
Openstack-on-Openstack) for production RDO deploys. Since they are
affiliated with RedHat, they would also lean heavily towards the Ansible
option as well.

Good luck!

Mike Smith
Overstock Cloud Team

On Jun 20, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Erik McCormick emccormick@cirrusseven.com
wrote:

This is a religious discussion for most, but I would suggest Kolla. It
takes out a lot of the guess work, has a good upgrade mechanism, and is well
supported by the community via mailing list and ORC. Take a look.

-Erik

On Jun 20, 2017 7:15 PM, "Satish Patel" satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:

We are deploying 5 node openstack cloud for internal use and wondering
what method we should use, initial test was on RDO packstack but i
heard packstack isn't good for production, some people on google
suggesting using triplo. I found its little complicated because you
need one more extra server run undercloud openstack to deploy
overcloud openstack, should i really use triplo or is there any other
and easy method which can allow us to upgrade in future also.


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responded Jun 22, 2017 by Mike_Smith (2,280 points)   1 2
0 votes

Thank you folks!

I have 5 node so following role i am planning to implement, I am
little confused related network component, should i use DVR
(distributed virtual router ) but problem is every single node need
public IP address in that case, first time building production style
openstack so don't know what would be the best option?

1 controller + network
4 compute node

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Mike Smith mismith@overstock.com wrote:
Agree you should definitely check out what is already out there in community
if you are starting from scratch. In our specific case, we do our puppet
configs manually because 1) we are still on puppet v3 for everything else
and 2) we have been doing it this way since Folsom and it’s worked well.

We are about to build another new cluster on Ocata and I think for that one
I will try and leverage more of the community puppet stuff if possible.

On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:49 PM, John van Ommen john.vanommen@gmail.com wrote:

I couldn't agree more. OpenStack deployment is not a trivial task. Do not
reinvent the wheel.

John

On Jun 21, 2017 12:04 PM, "Erik McCormick" emccormick@cirrusseven.com
wrote:

If you are a Puppet shop you should check out the Puppet community
modules. You will get familiar with all the inner goo as you'll need your
own composition layer (in my case a series of hiera files). There's no
reason to reinvent the wheel unless you really want to.

-Erik

On Jun 21, 2017 2:19 PM, "Satish Patel" satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you all of you for your opinion, As mike suggested i am also
planning to brew home grown puppet module to understand each and every
component and their role instead of grabbing third party tool, I am
sure OOO is best for 100 deploying 100 compute node but in my setup we
have only 5 servers and its not worth it to manage undercloud server.

We are puppet shop so it would be easy to write own code and go from
there.

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 1:25 AM, Remo Mattei remo@italy1.com wrote:

I did a deployment with cs9 hp it was pretty bad. I hope the new one
does
better.

Nevertheless I do not see many using hp out there. Maybe different
regions
like emea do better with that.

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 20 giu 2017, alle ore 21:10, John van Ommen
john.vanommen@gmail.com ha scritto:

At HPE we originally used TripleO but switched to a 'flat' model.

I personally didn't see any advantage to Triple O. In theory, it should
be
easier to manage and upgrade. In the real world, Helion 3.0 and 4.0 are
superior in every respect.

John

On Jun 20, 2017 9:02 PM, "Remo Mattei" remo@italy1.com wrote:

I worked for Red Hat and they really want to get ooo going because the
installation tools did never work as everyone was hoping. Before Red
Hat I
was at Mirantis and the fuel installation was nice now dead. I know
ooo will
go into containers next couple of release but kolla–Ansible is one of
the
emerging solutions now to get it out fast.

I am doing a project now where I am working on deploying ooo just
finished
the doc for Ocata undercloud.

Just my two cents to concord with Mike’s statement.

Remo

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 20 giu 2017, alle ore 20:51, Mike Smith
mismith@overstock.com
ha scritto:

There are definitely 1,001 opinions on what is “best”. We use RDO at
Overstock and we use home-grown puppet modules because we do our own
puppet
modules for everything else we do here. We based everything around
the
official Openstack install documents and we do it because we want to
fully
understand everything we can instead of treating it like a black box
that
knows how to do the magic.

However, there are lots of options out there - ansible, kolla, puppet
plus
vendor-specific options too like those provided by Mirantis. If there
are
config management tools (ansible, puppet, etc) that you already use,
you may
want to check out the Openstack options for those. You are correct
that
that packstack is more of a ‘all-in-one-server’ installer for a quick
POC.
It can to more, but I think RDO recommends “Triple-O” (which stands
for
Openstack-on-Openstack) for production RDO deploys. Since they are
affiliated with RedHat, they would also lean heavily towards the
Ansible
option as well.

Good luck!

Mike Smith
Overstock Cloud Team

On Jun 20, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Erik McCormick
emccormick@cirrusseven.com
wrote:

This is a religious discussion for most, but I would suggest Kolla. It
takes out a lot of the guess work, has a good upgrade mechanism, and
is well
supported by the community via mailing list and ORC. Take a look.

-Erik

On Jun 20, 2017 7:15 PM, "Satish Patel" satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:

We are deploying 5 node openstack cloud for internal use and
wondering
what method we should use, initial test was on RDO packstack but i
heard packstack isn't good for production, some people on google
suggesting using triplo. I found its little complicated because you
need one more extra server run undercloud openstack to deploy
overcloud openstack, should i really use triplo or is there any other
and easy method which can allow us to upgrade in future also.


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