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I know we're not even at the Liberty Design Summit in Vancouver yet, but I
wanted to take this time to announce the Neutron mid-cycle coding sprint
for Liberty. HP has been gracious enough to offer to host at it's Fort
Collins, CO offices. The dates are set for June 24-26, this is
Wednesday-Friday. I've got additional information on the etherpad [1].

We'll set the specific agenda in the coming weeks, but the idea is to focus
on things like the pending neutron-lib work [2] while there, similar to
what we did with the advanced services split in Utah last year. My
experience running the past two mid-cycles has been that having these
earlier in the cycle has been helpful for landing a lot of work near the
first milestone of a release. I expect this to be the same for Liberty with
the sprint in Fort Collins.

Please note attendance is not required at all. We will do our best to
facilitate virtual collaboration for those who cannot travel to the event.
I wanted to get this out there for folks who have to book travel in advance.

Thanks!
Kyle

[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-liberty-mid-cycle
[2] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154736/


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asked Apr 6, 2015 in openstack-dev by Kyle_Mestery (16,960 points)   3 3 7
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On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 03:00:17PM -0500, Kyle Mestery wrote:
I know we're not even at the Liberty Design Summit in Vancouver yet, but I
wanted to take this time to announce the Neutron mid-cycle coding sprint
for Liberty. HP has been gracious enough to offer to host at it's Fort
Collins, CO offices. The dates are set for June 24-26, this is
Wednesday-Friday. I've got additional information on the etherpad [1].

We'll set the specific agenda in the coming weeks, but the idea is to focus
on things like the pending neutron-lib work [2] while there, similar to
what we did with the advanced services split in Utah last year. My
experience running the past two mid-cycles has been that having these
earlier in the cycle has been helpful for landing a lot of work near the
first milestone of a release. I expect this to be the same for Liberty with
the sprint in Fort Collins.

Please note attendance is not required at all. We will do our best to
facilitate virtual collaboration for those who cannot travel to the event.
I wanted to get this out there for folks who have to book travel in advance.

I don't know anything about these events. Naively: would OVN
development (some of which is in Neutron, much of which is not) be an
appropriate use of time at the event?


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responded Apr 7, 2015 by Ben_Pfaff (620 points)   1 2
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Kyle Mestery wrote:
I know we're not even at the Liberty Design Summit in Vancouver yet, but
I wanted to take this time to announce the Neutron mid-cycle coding
sprint for Liberty. HP has been gracious enough to offer to host at it's
Fort Collins, CO offices. The dates are set for June 24-26, this is
Wednesday-Friday. I've got additional information on the etherpad [1].

Could you announce it at:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints

Feel free to create a Liberty section and deprecate old entries :)
Thanks in advance,

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responded Apr 7, 2015 by Thierry_Carrez (57,480 points)   3 8 13
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On 04/07/2015 12:33 AM, Ben Pfaff wrote:
On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 03:00:17PM -0500, Kyle Mestery wrote:

I know we're not even at the Liberty Design Summit in Vancouver yet, but I
wanted to take this time to announce the Neutron mid-cycle coding sprint
for Liberty. HP has been gracious enough to offer to host at it's Fort
Collins, CO offices. The dates are set for June 24-26, this is
Wednesday-Friday. I've got additional information on the etherpad [1].

We'll set the specific agenda in the coming weeks, but the idea is to focus
on things like the pending neutron-lib work [2] while there, similar to
what we did with the advanced services split in Utah last year. My
experience running the past two mid-cycles has been that having these
earlier in the cycle has been helpful for landing a lot of work near the
first milestone of a release. I expect this to be the same for Liberty with
the sprint in Fort Collins.

Please note attendance is not required at all. We will do our best to
facilitate virtual collaboration for those who cannot travel to the event.
I wanted to get this out there for folks who have to book travel in advance.

I don't know anything about these events. Naively: would OVN
development (some of which is in Neutron, much of which is not) be an
appropriate use of time at the event?

I suspect so. FWIW, I'm not sure I'll be going, though. The dates
aren't good for me.

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responded Apr 7, 2015 by Russell_Bryant (19,240 points)   2 3 8
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Russell Bryant rbryant@redhat.com wrote:

On 04/07/2015 12:33 AM, Ben Pfaff wrote:

On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 03:00:17PM -0500, Kyle Mestery wrote:

I know we're not even at the Liberty Design Summit in Vancouver yet,
but I
wanted to take this time to announce the Neutron mid-cycle coding sprint
for Liberty. HP has been gracious enough to offer to host at it's Fort
Collins, CO offices. The dates are set for June 24-26, this is
Wednesday-Friday. I've got additional information on the etherpad [1].

We'll set the specific agenda in the coming weeks, but the idea is to
focus
on things like the pending neutron-lib work [2] while there, similar to
what we did with the advanced services split in Utah last year. My
experience running the past two mid-cycles has been that having these
earlier in the cycle has been helpful for landing a lot of work near the
first milestone of a release. I expect this to be the same for Liberty
with
the sprint in Fort Collins.

Please note attendance is not required at all. We will do our best to
facilitate virtual collaboration for those who cannot travel to the
event.
I wanted to get this out there for folks who have to book travel in
advance.

I don't know anything about these events. Naively: would OVN
development (some of which is in Neutron, much of which is not) be an
appropriate use of time at the event?

Yes, I think putting OVN hacking on the agenda makes a lot of sense! I'll
add it to the etherpad now.

I suspect so. FWIW, I'm not sure I'll be going, though. The dates
aren't good for me.

Bummer! But, as I said, we'll try our best to include remote people into
the coding sprint, so hopefully you can participate from afar. :)

--
Russell Bryant


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responded Apr 7, 2015 by Kyle_Mestery (16,960 points)   3 3 7
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Kyle and Neutron Team,

Having the mid-cyle just one month after the Liberty summit does not really fit into the definition of "mid-cycle". It feels like we are just getting up to speed on Liberty BPs when we need to get ready for three days of sprint coding.
Would you consider to move this at least one month after?
I really want to go but it feels to soon to request permission to my management team.

Thanks,

Edgar

From: Kyle Mestery mestery@mestery.com
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Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 6:39 AM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Liberty mid-cycle coding sprint

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Russell Bryant rbryant@redhat.com wrote:
On 04/07/2015 12:33 AM, Ben Pfaff wrote:
On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 03:00:17PM -0500, Kyle Mestery wrote:

I know we're not even at the Liberty Design Summit in Vancouver yet, but I
wanted to take this time to announce the Neutron mid-cycle coding sprint
for Liberty. HP has been gracious enough to offer to host at it's Fort
Collins, CO offices. The dates are set for June 24-26, this is
Wednesday-Friday. I've got additional information on the etherpad [1].

We'll set the specific agenda in the coming weeks, but the idea is to focus
on things like the pending neutron-lib work [2] while there, similar to
what we did with the advanced services split in Utah last year. My
experience running the past two mid-cycles has been that having these
earlier in the cycle has been helpful for landing a lot of work near the
first milestone of a release. I expect this to be the same for Liberty with
the sprint in Fort Collins.

Please note attendance is not required at all. We will do our best to
facilitate virtual collaboration for those who cannot travel to the event.
I wanted to get this out there for folks who have to book travel in advance.

I don't know anything about these events. Naively: would OVN
development (some of which is in Neutron, much of which is not) be an
appropriate use of time at the event?

Yes, I think putting OVN hacking on the agenda makes a lot of sense! I'll add it to the etherpad now.

I suspect so. FWIW, I'm not sure I'll be going, though. The dates
aren't good for me.

Bummer! But, as I said, we'll try our best to include remote people into the coding sprint, so hopefully you can participate from afar. :)

--
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responded Apr 8, 2015 by Edgar_Magana (13,760 points)   2 5 6
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On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:22 AM, Edgar Magana edgar.magana@workday.com
wrote:

Kyle and Neutron Team,

Having the mid-cyle just one month after the Liberty summit does not
really fit into the definition of “mid-cycle”. It feels like we are just
getting up to speed on Liberty BPs when we need to get ready for three days
of sprint coding.
Would you consider to move this at least one month after?
I really want to go but it feels to soon to request permission to my
management team.

Thanks for your concerns Edgar. I guess you're right, and I will stop
calling this a mid-cycle, and instead just refer to it as a the Neutron
Liberty Coding Sprint. It's actually worked out really well to have it
close to the first milestone, we have a lot of things we can do very early
in the cycle, getting together and pushing towards the first milestone with
some of them will work well. Like I indicated to Russell, we'll do our best
to facilitate remote attendees over IRC and maybe Hangouts while we're
there.

Thanks!
Kyle

Thanks,

Edgar

From: Kyle Mestery mestery@mestery.com
Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <
openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 6:39 AM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <
openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Liberty mid-cycle coding sprint

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Russell Bryant rbryant@redhat.com
wrote:

On 04/07/2015 12:33 AM, Ben Pfaff wrote:

On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 03:00:17PM -0500, Kyle Mestery wrote:

I know we're not even at the Liberty Design Summit in Vancouver yet,
but I
wanted to take this time to announce the Neutron mid-cycle coding
sprint
for Liberty. HP has been gracious enough to offer to host at it's Fort
Collins, CO offices. The dates are set for June 24-26, this is
Wednesday-Friday. I've got additional information on the etherpad [1].

We'll set the specific agenda in the coming weeks, but the idea is to
focus
on things like the pending neutron-lib work [2] while there, similar to
what we did with the advanced services split in Utah last year. My
experience running the past two mid-cycles has been that having these
earlier in the cycle has been helpful for landing a lot of work near
the
first milestone of a release. I expect this to be the same for Liberty
with
the sprint in Fort Collins.

Please note attendance is not required at all. We will do our best to
facilitate virtual collaboration for those who cannot travel to the
event.
I wanted to get this out there for folks who have to book travel in
advance.

I don't know anything about these events. Naively: would OVN
development (some of which is in Neutron, much of which is not) be an
appropriate use of time at the event?

Yes, I think putting OVN hacking on the agenda makes a lot of sense!
I'll add it to the etherpad now.

I suspect so. FWIW, I'm not sure I'll be going, though. The dates
aren't good for me.

Bummer! But, as I said, we'll try our best to include remote people
into the coding sprint, so hopefully you can participate from afar. :)

--
Russell Bryant


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responded Apr 8, 2015 by Kyle_Mestery (16,960 points)   3 3 7
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Kyle,

Thank you for your answers and also for organizing this coding sprint.
I would like to rephrase my question as follows.
If you are elected as Neutron PTL for the Liberty Cycle, would you consider to have either of the following options for the M cycle?:

  1. Move the next coding sprint at least one month after the “M” summit
  2. Having both a sprint coding and a formal mid-cycle meet-up

I know how hard is to organize these sessions and I by no means wanted to change people plans for attending the one in June 2015. However, raising my concerns and suggestions early in the process seems to be a good approach.

Kind Regards,

Edgar

From: Kyle Mestery mestery@mestery.com
Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 6:09 AM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Liberty mid-cycle coding sprint

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:22 AM, Edgar Magana edgar.magana@workday.com wrote:
Kyle and Neutron Team,

Having the mid-cyle just one month after the Liberty summit does not really fit into the definition of “mid-cycle”. It feels like we are just getting up to speed on Liberty BPs when we need to get ready for three days of sprint coding.
Would you consider to move this at least one month after?
I really want to go but it feels to soon to request permission to my management team.

Thanks for your concerns Edgar. I guess you're right, and I will stop calling this a mid-cycle, and instead just refer to it as a the Neutron Liberty Coding Sprint. It's actually worked out really well to have it close to the first milestone, we have a lot of things we can do very early in the cycle, getting together and pushing towards the first milestone with some of them will work well. Like I indicated to Russell, we'll do our best to facilitate remote attendees over IRC and maybe Hangouts while we're there.

Thanks!
Kyle

Thanks,

Edgar

From: Kyle Mestery mestery@mestery.com
Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 6:39 AM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Liberty mid-cycle coding sprint

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Russell Bryant rbryant@redhat.com wrote:
On 04/07/2015 12:33 AM, Ben Pfaff wrote:
On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 03:00:17PM -0500, Kyle Mestery wrote:

I know we're not even at the Liberty Design Summit in Vancouver yet, but I
wanted to take this time to announce the Neutron mid-cycle coding sprint
for Liberty. HP has been gracious enough to offer to host at it's Fort
Collins, CO offices. The dates are set for June 24-26, this is
Wednesday-Friday. I've got additional information on the etherpad [1].

We'll set the specific agenda in the coming weeks, but the idea is to focus
on things like the pending neutron-lib work [2] while there, similar to
what we did with the advanced services split in Utah last year. My
experience running the past two mid-cycles has been that having these
earlier in the cycle has been helpful for landing a lot of work near the
first milestone of a release. I expect this to be the same for Liberty with
the sprint in Fort Collins.

Please note attendance is not required at all. We will do our best to
facilitate virtual collaboration for those who cannot travel to the event.
I wanted to get this out there for folks who have to book travel in advance.

I don't know anything about these events. Naively: would OVN
development (some of which is in Neutron, much of which is not) be an
appropriate use of time at the event?

Yes, I think putting OVN hacking on the agenda makes a lot of sense! I'll add it to the etherpad now.

I suspect so. FWIW, I'm not sure I'll be going, though. The dates
aren't good for me.

Bummer! But, as I said, we'll try our best to include remote people into the coding sprint, so hopefully you can participate from afar. :)

--
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responded Apr 8, 2015 by Edgar_Magana (13,760 points)   2 5 6
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On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Edgar Magana edgar.magana@workday.com
wrote:

Kyle,

Thank you for your answers and also for organizing this coding sprint.
I would like to rephrase my question as follows.
If you are elected as Neutron PTL for the Liberty Cycle, would you
consider to have either of the following options for the M cycle?:

  1. Move the next coding sprint at least one month after the “M” summit
  2. Having both a sprint coding and a formal mid-cycle meet-up

I know how hard is to organize these sessions and I by no means wanted to
change people plans for attending the one in June 2015. However, raising my
concerns and suggestions early in the process seems to be a good approach.

The Liberty coding spring is actually more than a month after the Liberty
Summit, so the M coding spring would be the same. I don't think having a
coding spring and a mid-cycle makes sense. In fact, I am against mid-cycles
where the focus is not on code. Personally, we need to continue evolving
the projects in OpenStack so decisions do not need to be made in person.
Mid-cycles perpetuate the notion you have to go there and be present so you
can be a part of the decision making process. Coding sprints are focused on
actually writing code together. Thus, I won't support mid-cycles where
decisions are expected to be made, but will continue to support coding
sprints.

Hope that makes sense.

Thanks,
Kyle

Kind Regards,

Edgar

From: Kyle Mestery mestery@mestery.com
Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <
openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 6:09 AM

To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <
openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Liberty mid-cycle coding sprint

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:22 AM, Edgar Magana edgar.magana@workday.com
wrote:

Kyle and Neutron Team,

Having the mid-cyle just one month after the Liberty summit does not
really fit into the definition of “mid-cycle”. It feels like we are just
getting up to speed on Liberty BPs when we need to get ready for three days
of sprint coding.
Would you consider to move this at least one month after?
I really want to go but it feels to soon to request permission to my
management team.

Thanks for your concerns Edgar. I guess you're right, and I will stop
calling this a mid-cycle, and instead just refer to it as a the Neutron
Liberty Coding Sprint. It's actually worked out really well to have it
close to the first milestone, we have a lot of things we can do very early
in the cycle, getting together and pushing towards the first milestone with
some of them will work well. Like I indicated to Russell, we'll do our best
to facilitate remote attendees over IRC and maybe Hangouts while we're
there.

Thanks!
Kyle

Thanks,

Edgar

From: Kyle Mestery mestery@mestery.com
Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 6:39 AM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <
openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Liberty mid-cycle coding sprint

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Russell Bryant rbryant@redhat.com
wrote:

On 04/07/2015 12:33 AM, Ben Pfaff wrote:

On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 03:00:17PM -0500, Kyle Mestery wrote:

I know we're not even at the Liberty Design Summit in Vancouver yet,
but I
wanted to take this time to announce the Neutron mid-cycle coding
sprint
for Liberty. HP has been gracious enough to offer to host at it's Fort
Collins, CO offices. The dates are set for June 24-26, this is
Wednesday-Friday. I've got additional information on the etherpad [1].

We'll set the specific agenda in the coming weeks, but the idea is to
focus
on things like the pending neutron-lib work [2] while there, similar
to
what we did with the advanced services split in Utah last year. My
experience running the past two mid-cycles has been that having these
earlier in the cycle has been helpful for landing a lot of work near
the
first milestone of a release. I expect this to be the same for
Liberty with
the sprint in Fort Collins.

Please note attendance is not required at all. We will do our best to
facilitate virtual collaboration for those who cannot travel to the
event.
I wanted to get this out there for folks who have to book travel in
advance.

I don't know anything about these events. Naively: would OVN
development (some of which is in Neutron, much of which is not) be an
appropriate use of time at the event?

Yes, I think putting OVN hacking on the agenda makes a lot of sense!
I'll add it to the etherpad now.

I suspect so. FWIW, I'm not sure I'll be going, though. The dates
aren't good for me.

Bummer! But, as I said, we'll try our best to include remote people
into the coding sprint, so hopefully you can participate from afar. :)

--
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responded Apr 8, 2015 by Kyle_Mestery (16,960 points)   3 3 7
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Kyle,

I do understand it. My suggestions were related to timing and not related to the objectives of this meet-up, I do agree totally with you that we should get together to make a big push on the code and BPs and not to discuss and make more decisions.
For the next coding sprint I will plan it better with my sponsor company, in the meantime let me apologize with you and the Neutron team because I will not be able to attend it in person but I will be in IRC and if available hangouts.

Cheers,

Edgar

From: Kyle Mestery mestery@mestery.com
Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 8:22 AM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Liberty mid-cycle coding sprint

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Edgar Magana edgar.magana@workday.com wrote:
Kyle,

Thank you for your answers and also for organizing this coding sprint.
I would like to rephrase my question as follows.
If you are elected as Neutron PTL for the Liberty Cycle, would you consider to have either of the following options for the M cycle?:

  1. Move the next coding sprint at least one month after the “M” summit
  2. Having both a sprint coding and a formal mid-cycle meet-up

I know how hard is to organize these sessions and I by no means wanted to change people plans for attending the one in June 2015. However, raising my concerns and suggestions early in the process seems to be a good approach.

The Liberty coding spring is actually more than a month after the Liberty Summit, so the M coding spring would be the same. I don't think having a coding spring and a mid-cycle makes sense. In fact, I am against mid-cycles where the focus is not on code. Personally, we need to continue evolving the projects in OpenStack so decisions do not need to be made in person. Mid-cycles perpetuate the notion you have to go there and be present so you can be a part of the decision making process. Coding sprints are focused on actually writing code together. Thus, I won't support mid-cycles where decisions are expected to be made, but will continue to support coding sprints.

Hope that makes sense.

Thanks,
Kyle

Kind Regards,

Edgar

From: Kyle Mestery mestery@mestery.com
Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 6:09 AM

To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Liberty mid-cycle coding sprint

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:22 AM, Edgar Magana edgar.magana@workday.com wrote:
Kyle and Neutron Team,

Having the mid-cyle just one month after the Liberty summit does not really fit into the definition of “mid-cycle”. It feels like we are just getting up to speed on Liberty BPs when we need to get ready for three days of sprint coding.
Would you consider to move this at least one month after?
I really want to go but it feels to soon to request permission to my management team.

Thanks for your concerns Edgar. I guess you're right, and I will stop calling this a mid-cycle, and instead just refer to it as a the Neutron Liberty Coding Sprint. It's actually worked out really well to have it close to the first milestone, we have a lot of things we can do very early in the cycle, getting together and pushing towards the first milestone with some of them will work well. Like I indicated to Russell, we'll do our best to facilitate remote attendees over IRC and maybe Hangouts while we're there.

Thanks!
Kyle

Thanks,

Edgar

From: Kyle Mestery mestery@mestery.com
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Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 6:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Liberty mid-cycle coding sprint

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Russell Bryant rbryant@redhat.com wrote:
On 04/07/2015 12:33 AM, Ben Pfaff wrote:
On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 03:00:17PM -0500, Kyle Mestery wrote:

I know we're not even at the Liberty Design Summit in Vancouver yet, but I
wanted to take this time to announce the Neutron mid-cycle coding sprint
for Liberty. HP has been gracious enough to offer to host at it's Fort
Collins, CO offices. The dates are set for June 24-26, this is
Wednesday-Friday. I've got additional information on the etherpad [1].

We'll set the specific agenda in the coming weeks, but the idea is to focus
on things like the pending neutron-lib work [2] while there, similar to
what we did with the advanced services split in Utah last year. My
experience running the past two mid-cycles has been that having these
earlier in the cycle has been helpful for landing a lot of work near the
first milestone of a release. I expect this to be the same for Liberty with
the sprint in Fort Collins.

Please note attendance is not required at all. We will do our best to
facilitate virtual collaboration for those who cannot travel to the event.
I wanted to get this out there for folks who have to book travel in advance.

I don't know anything about these events. Naively: would OVN
development (some of which is in Neutron, much of which is not) be an
appropriate use of time at the event?

Yes, I think putting OVN hacking on the agenda makes a lot of sense! I'll add it to the etherpad now.

I suspect so. FWIW, I'm not sure I'll be going, though. The dates
aren't good for me.

Bummer! But, as I said, we'll try our best to include remote people into the coding sprint, so hopefully you can participate from afar. :)

--
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responded Apr 8, 2015 by Edgar_Magana (13,760 points)   2 5 6
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Hello everyone,

I (and my sponsor) are interested in adding ACLs to neutron and after
trying IRC, emailing some githubbers directly and asking in a couple
other places I've been told that this might be the place to have the
discussion.

Here's what I've been told so far:

1) There was a proposal for Quantum ACLs that was never approved.

2) There might be a push to put ACLs in Keystone and have other services
depend on this central resource for ACL information.

3) Swift has ACLs built into it (notably, not using Keystone)

4) I don't see ACLs in any service other than Swift.

So my question is: How can I meaningfully engage with the right people
to understand what the current thoughts are for ACLs for all of open
stack as well as Neutron?

If you google my name and open source you'll see that I've been in the
game a while and have worked in a few different communities. As such, I
found one piece of advice I was given while researching Neutron "code up
your proposal and submit it" to be a bit naive. It's clear there have
been some conversations about this in the past and I would really not
want to spend a couple months starting from zero, coming up with a
solution that I like and is objectively good but have it rejected
because the community already has inertia going in a different direction.

So what I think I need to understand is something like:

o What are the current thoughts on ACLs globally and with regard to Neutron
o What people should I engage with (both for neutron and other services
like keystone)

Thanks in advance to all who reply.

rw2


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