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[openstack-dev] [nova] hackathon day

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Hi

I knew that people in China had a 3 days hackathon few months ago I was thinking to have a similar thing in Europe.
My original idea was to propose to add an extra day after the mid-cycle but I am not sure if that is a good idea anymore:

CONS:
- the next mid-cycle is going to be the first one outside USA and as for any new things it has some level of uncertainty, we know that we could have a less participant than the other meetups, so it is a risk to add the hackathon at this time
- probably it is better to have more than one day for getting the most out of an hackathon event
- ppl attending the hackathon are not necessarily the same person attending a mid-cycle event, I think at the hackathon as a very good opportunity for new contributors
- it is already late for this proposal, I know I had to propose it at the last summit, my fault

PROS:
- having the hackathon following the mid-cycle gives us the opportunity to have more core reviewers available, which is a key point for getting right directions and stuff done
- cost effective: ppl interested in attending both events can save a travel

It'd be good to have a feedback about the Chinese hackathon experience to understand if it's worth to put effort in making a similar event in other part of the world.
If it's not the mid-cycle I think there are other events where it could be good to have a couple of extra days for the hackathon, I am thinking for example at Fosdem [1]... well not for 2016 as it is on the week-end after the mid-cycle :)

Thanks
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[1] https://fosdem.org/


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asked Nov 12, 2015 in openstack-dev by Rosa,_Andrea_(HP_Clo (440 points)   1

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Hi Rosa,

I am one of the organizers of China Hackathons.
I think it is a good idea to host a Hackathon in Europe right after the mid-cycle meetup. However, I suggest to allow more days instead of only 1 to fix bugs, or you have to get well prepared, because fixing bugs is about reproducing, fixing and reviewing - not that easy.
When we did Hackathon in August, we had half a day to share techniques like meetups. So possibly you can combine mid-cycle meetup with hackathon, which is really a good idea to save the cost. Also I would like to tell that the core invitation is one of the key aspects to make the event succeed. Because the event will definitely attracts many developers, new or old, and you will have many fixes, it needs more cores to spend the bandwidth reviewing those fixes within 1-2 days.

Best Regards.
--
Shane

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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 7:15 PM
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Subject: [openstack-dev] [nova] hackathon day

Hi

I knew that people in China had a 3 days hackathon few months ago I was thinking to have a similar thing in Europe.
My original idea was to propose to add an extra day after the mid-cycle but I am not sure if that is a good idea anymore:

CONS:
- the next mid-cycle is going to be the first one outside USA and as for any new things it has some level of uncertainty, we know that we could have a less participant than the other meetups, so it is a risk to add the hackathon at this time
- probably it is better to have more than one day for getting the most out of an hackathon event
- ppl attending the hackathon are not necessarily the same person attending a mid-cycle event, I think at the hackathon as a very good opportunity for new contributors
- it is already late for this proposal, I know I had to propose it at the last summit, my fault

PROS:
- having the hackathon following the mid-cycle gives us the opportunity to have more core reviewers available, which is a key point for getting right directions and stuff done
- cost effective: ppl interested in attending both events can save a travel

It'd be good to have a feedback about the Chinese hackathon experience to understand if it's worth to put effort in making a similar event in other part of the world.
If it's not the mid-cycle I think there are other events where it could be good to have a couple of extra days for the hackathon, I am thinking for example at Fosdem [1]... well not for 2016 as it is on the week-end after the mid-cycle :)

Thanks
--
Andrea Rosa

[1] https://fosdem.org/


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responded Nov 12, 2015 by Wang,_Shane (1,720 points)   1 3
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:15:09AM +0000, Rosa, Andrea (HP Cloud Services) wrote:
Hi

I knew that people in China had a 3 days hackathon few months ago I was thinking to have a similar thing in Europe.
My original idea was to propose to add an extra day after the mid-cycle but I am not sure if that is a good idea anymore:

The day after the mid-cycle is the main day for travelling to FOSDEM, so
a bad choice for people who want to attend FOSDEM too.

Regards,
Daniel
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responded Nov 12, 2015 by Daniel_P._Berrange (27,920 points)   2 4 10
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Open the mid-cycle one day ahead, feasible?

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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] hackathon day

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:15:09AM +0000, Rosa, Andrea (HP Cloud Services) wrote:
Hi

I knew that people in China had a 3 days hackathon few months ago I was thinking to have a similar thing in Europe.
My original idea was to propose to add an extra day after the mid-cycle but I am not sure if that is a good idea anymore:

The day after the mid-cycle is the main day for travelling to FOSDEM, so a bad choice for people who want to attend FOSDEM too.

Regards,
Daniel
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responded Nov 12, 2015 by Wang,_Shane (1,720 points)   1 3
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On 11/12/2015 5:15 AM, Rosa, Andrea (HP Cloud Services) wrote:
Hi

I knew that people in China had a 3 days hackathon few months ago I was thinking to have a similar thing in Europe.
My original idea was to propose to add an extra day after the mid-cycle but I am not sure if that is a good idea anymore:

CONS:
- the next mid-cycle is going to be the first one outside USA and as for any new things it has some level of uncertainty, we know that we could have a less participant than the other meetups, so it is a risk to add the hackathon at this time
- probably it is better to have more than one day for getting the most out of an hackathon event
- ppl attending the hackathon are not necessarily the same person attending a mid-cycle event, I think at the hackathon as a very good opportunity for new contributors
- it is already late for this proposal, I know I had to propose it at the last summit, my fault

PROS:
- having the hackathon following the mid-cycle gives us the opportunity to have more core reviewers available, which is a key point for getting right directions and stuff done
- cost effective: ppl interested in attending both events can save a travel

It'd be good to have a feedback about the Chinese hackathon experience to understand if it's worth to put effort in making a similar event in other part of the world.
If it's not the mid-cycle I think there are other events where it could be good to have a couple of extra days for the hackathon, I am thinking for example at Fosdem [1]... well not for 2016 as it is on the week-end after the mid-cycle :)

Thanks
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Andrea Rosa

[1] https://fosdem.org/


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I wouldn't want to mix this into the meetup. There are already the
travel restrictions (I'll probably be leaving on Friday if I can go).
Plus as you say, it's better for new contributors and that's not really
what we're shooting for with the meetups since those are meant to make
progress on big issues, not write/review code.

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Thanks,

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responded Nov 12, 2015 by Matt_Riedemann (48,320 points)   3 9 22
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Hey, how about driving a Hackathon on the same dates in 3 geos right before release? Who are interested in?

Best Regards.
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] hackathon day

Open the mid-cycle one day ahead, feasible?

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel P. Berrange [mailto:berrange@redhat.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 10:25 PM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] hackathon day

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:15:09AM +0000, Rosa, Andrea (HP Cloud Services) wrote:
Hi

I knew that people in China had a 3 days hackathon few months ago I was thinking to have a similar thing in Europe.
My original idea was to propose to add an extra day after the mid-cycle but I am not sure if that is a good idea anymore:

The day after the mid-cycle is the main day for travelling to FOSDEM, so a bad choice for people who want to attend FOSDEM too.

Regards,
Daniel
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responded Nov 12, 2015 by Wang,_Shane (1,720 points)   1 3
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Hi,

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 12 November 2015 16:34
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions); Daniel P.
Berrange; Bhargava, Ruchi
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] hackathon day

Hey, how about driving a Hackathon on the same dates in 3 geos right before
release? Who are interested in?

We can say that for the next mid-cycle is not feasible, I think the best option at the moment is discuss this proposal at the next summit.
I like the idea to have it in different location not sure if having it before the release is a good thing, the core-reviewer efforts are all focused on getting the release ready which means on high priority bugs, not necessarily the bugs which are tackled during the hackathon.

Regards
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responded Nov 16, 2015 by Rosa,_Andrea_(HP_Clo (440 points)   1
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