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[OpenStack Foundation] [magnum] Seek advices for a licence issue

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Hi all,

A brief introduction to myself. I am the Magnum Project Team Lead (PTL). Magnum is the OpenStack container service. I wrote this email because the Magnum team is seeking clarification for a licence issue for shipping third-party software (DCOS [1] in particular) and I was advised to consult OpenStack Board of Directors in this regards.

Before getting into the question, I think it is better to provide some backgroup information. A feature provided by Magnum is to provision container management tool on top of a set of Nova instances. One of the container management tool Magnum supports is Apache Mesos [2]. Generally speaking, Magnum ships Mesos by providing a custom cloud image with the necessary packages pre-installed. So far, all the shipped components are open source with appropriate license, so we are good so far.

Recently, one of our contributors suggested to extend the Mesos support to DCOS [3]. The Magnum team is unclear if there is a license issue for shipping DCOS, which looks like a close-source product but has community version in Amazon Web Services [4]. I want to know what are the appropriate actions Magnum team should take in this pursuit, or we should stop pursuing this direction further? Advices are greatly appreciated. Please let us know if we need to provide further information. Thanks.

[1] https://docs.mesosphere.com/
[2] http://mesos.apache.org/
[3] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-dcos
[4] https://docs.mesosphere.com/administration/installing/installing-community-edition/

Best regards,
Hongbin


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asked Apr 9, 2016 in openstack-foundation by hongbin.lu_at_huawei (11,620 points)   2 3 5

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On 2016-04-09 15:02:03 +0000 (+0000), Hongbin Lu wrote:
[...]
Recently, one of our contributors suggested to extend the Mesos
support to DCOS [3]. The Magnum team is unclear if there is a
license issue for shipping DCOS, which looks like a close-source
product but has community version in Amazon Web Services [4].
[...]

Their EULA at https://docs.mesosphere.com/community-edition-eula/
indicates (item 4 subpart ii):

"Licensee will not (and will not allow any third party to) [...]
(ii) sell, assign, distribute, provide, lease, lend, disclose,
use for timesharing or service bureau purposes, or otherwise use
or allow others to use for the benefit of any third party, any
Licensed Software (except as expressly and specifically
authorized by Mesosphere)."

So without explicit permission from Mesosphere it doesn't seem like
the OpenStack community including Magnum developers can legally
redistribute DCOS Community Edition at all, regardless of whether
it's within the bounds of our community norms (which I also feel
like it isn't).
--
Jeremy Stanley


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responded Apr 9, 2016 by Jeremy_Stanley (56,700 points)   3 5 7
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Thanks Jeremy and Hong Bin, I will talk with Mesosphere guys in this week's sync up meeting for this to see if we can integrate it to Magnum.

Will have you updated if there are any feedback on this.

Thanks,

Guang Ya Liu (刘光亚)
Senior Software Engineer
Cloud Solution and OpenStack Development
IBM Platform Computing
Systems and Technology Group
Email: liugya@cn.ibm.com
Phone: 86-29-68797069 Tieline: 87069

Jeremy Stanley ---04/09/2016 11:27:38 PM---On 2016-04-09 15:02:03 +0000 (+0000), Hongbin Lu wrote: [...]

From: Jeremy Stanley fungi@yuggoth.org
To: foundation@lists.openstack.org
Cc: Hongbin Lu hongbin.lu@huawei.com, Guang Ya GY Liu/China/IBM@IBMCN
Date: 04/09/2016 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [magnum] Seek advices for a licence issue

On 2016-04-09 15:02:03 +0000 (+0000), Hongbin Lu wrote:
[...]
Recently, one of our contributors suggested to extend the Mesos
support to DCOS [3]. The Magnum team is unclear if there is a
license issue for shipping DCOS, which looks like a close-source
product but has community version in Amazon Web Services [4].
[...]

Their EULA at https://docs.mesosphere.com/community-edition-eula/
indicates (item 4 subpart ii):

   "Licensee will not (and will not allow any third party to) [...]
   (ii) sell, assign, distribute, provide, lease, lend, disclose,
   use for timesharing or service bureau purposes, or otherwise use
   or allow others to use for the benefit of any third party, any
   Licensed Software (except as expressly and specifically
   authorized by Mesosphere)."

So without explicit permission from Mesosphere it doesn't seem like
the OpenStack community including Magnum developers can legally
redistribute DCOS Community Edition at all, regardless of whether
it's within the bounds of our community norms (which I also feel
like it isn't).
--
Jeremy Stanley


responded Apr 11, 2016 by Guang_Ya_GY_Liu (140 points)  
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To address the original question about the process - for license questions of this nature, the best bet is to contact Jonathan Bryce the Executive Director and he can pull in other resources as needed (including our legal experts).

I’m copying Jonathan and we’ll get back to you soon.

Thanks!
Mark

On Apr 10, 2016, at 8:43 PM, Guang Ya GY Liu liugya@cn.ibm.com wrote:

Thanks Jeremy and Hong Bin, I will talk with Mesosphere guys in this week's sync up meeting for this to see if we can integrate it to Magnum.

Will have you updated if there are any feedback on this.

Thanks,

Guang Ya Liu (刘光亚)
Senior Software Engineer
Cloud Solution and OpenStack Development
IBM Platform Computing
Systems and Technology Group
Email: liugya@cn.ibm.com
Phone: 86-29-68797069 Tieline: 87069

<graycol.gif>Jeremy Stanley ---04/09/2016 11:27:38 PM---On 2016-04-09 15:02:03 +0000 (+0000), Hongbin Lu wrote: [...]

From: Jeremy Stanley fungi@yuggoth.org
To: foundation@lists.openstack.org
Cc: Hongbin Lu hongbin.lu@huawei.com, Guang Ya GY Liu/China/IBM@IBMCN
Date: 04/09/2016 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [magnum] Seek advices for a licence issue

On 2016-04-09 15:02:03 +0000 (+0000), Hongbin Lu wrote:
[...]

Recently, one of our contributors suggested to extend the Mesos
support to DCOS [3]. The Magnum team is unclear if there is a
license issue for shipping DCOS, which looks like a close-source
product but has community version in Amazon Web Services [4].
[...]

Their EULA at https://docs.mesosphere.com/community-edition-eula/ https://docs.mesosphere.com/community-edition-eula/
indicates (item 4 subpart ii):

"Licensee will not (and will not allow any third party to) [...]
(ii) sell, assign, distribute, provide, lease, lend, disclose,
use for timesharing or service bureau purposes, or otherwise use
or allow others to use for the benefit of any third party, any
Licensed Software (except as expressly and specifically
authorized by Mesosphere)."

So without explicit permission from Mesosphere it doesn't seem like
the OpenStack community including Magnum developers can legally
redistribute DCOS Community Edition at all, regardless of whether
it's within the bounds of our community norms (which I also feel
like it isn't).
--
Jeremy Stanley


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responded Apr 11, 2016 by mark_at_openstack.or (1,960 points)   1 3
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There's also a separate mailing list designated for these sorts of
discussions.

http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-discuss

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Mark Collier mark@openstack.org wrote:

To address the original question about the process - for license questions
of this nature, the best bet is to contact Jonathan Bryce the Executive
Director and he can pull in other resources as needed (including our legal
experts).

I’m copying Jonathan and we’ll get back to you soon.

Thanks!
Mark

On Apr 10, 2016, at 8:43 PM, Guang Ya GY Liu liugya@cn.ibm.com wrote:

Thanks Jeremy and Hong Bin, I will talk with Mesosphere guys in this
week's sync up meeting for this to see if we can integrate it to Magnum.

Will have you updated if there are any feedback on this.

Thanks,

Guang Ya Liu (刘光亚)
Senior Software Engineer
Cloud Solution and OpenStack Development
IBM Platform Computing
Systems and Technology Group
Email: liugya@cn.ibm.com
Phone: 86-29-68797069 Tieline: 87069

<graycol.gif>Jeremy Stanley ---04/09/2016 11:27:38 PM---On 2016-04-09
15:02:03 +0000 (+0000), Hongbin Lu wrote: [...]

From: Jeremy Stanley fungi@yuggoth.org
To: foundation@lists.openstack.org
Cc: Hongbin Lu hongbin.lu@huawei.com, Guang Ya GY Liu/China/IBM@IBMCN
Date: 04/09/2016 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [magnum] Seek advices for a licence
issue


On 2016-04-09 15:02:03 +0000 (+0000), Hongbin Lu wrote:
[...]

Recently, one of our contributors suggested to extend the Mesos
support to DCOS [3]. The Magnum team is unclear if there is a
license issue for shipping DCOS, which looks like a close-source
product but has community version in Amazon Web Services [4].
[...]

Their EULA at https://docs.mesosphere.com/community-edition-eula/
indicates (item 4 subpart ii):

"Licensee will not (and will not allow any third party to) [...]
(ii) sell, assign, distribute, provide, lease, lend, disclose,
use for timesharing or service bureau purposes, or otherwise use
or allow others to use for the benefit of any third party, any
Licensed Software (except as expressly and specifically
authorized by Mesosphere)."

So without explicit permission from Mesosphere it doesn't seem like
the OpenStack community including Magnum developers can legally
redistribute DCOS Community Edition at all, regardless of whether
it's within the bounds of our community norms (which I also feel
like it isn't).
--
Jeremy Stanley


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responded Apr 11, 2016 by Russell_Bryant (19,240 points)   2 4 8
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Hopefully today’s news that Mesosphere is open major sourcing components of DCOS under an Apache 2.0 license will make things easier:

https://mesosphere.com/blog/2016/04/19/open-source-dcos/ https://mesosphere.com/blog/2016/04/19/open-source-dcos/

I’ll be interested to hear your take after you have time to look at it in more detail, Hongbin.

Mark

On Apr 9, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Hongbin Lu hongbin.lu@huawei.com wrote:

Hi all,

A brief introduction to myself. I am the Magnum Project Team Lead (PTL). Magnum is the OpenStack container service. I wrote this email because the Magnum team is seeking clarification for a licence issue for shipping third-party software (DCOS [1] in particular) and I was advised to consult OpenStack Board of Directors in this regards.

Before getting into the question, I think it is better to provide some backgroup information. A feature provided by Magnum is to provision container management tool on top of a set of Nova instances. One of the container management tool Magnum supports is Apache Mesos [2]. Generally speaking, Magnum ships Mesos by providing a custom cloud image with the necessary packages pre-installed. So far, all the shipped components are open source with appropriate license, so we are good so far.

Recently, one of our contributors suggested to extend the Mesos support to DCOS [3]. The Magnum team is unclear if there is a license issue for shipping DCOS, which looks like a close-source product but has community version in Amazon Web Services [4]. I want to know what are the appropriate actions Magnum team should take in this pursuit, or we should stop pursuing this direction further? Advices are greatly appreciated. Please let us know if we need to provide further information. Thanks.

[1] https://docs.mesosphere.com/ https://docs.mesosphere.com/
[2] http://mesos.apache.org/
[3] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-dcos https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-dcos
[4] https://docs.mesosphere.com/administration/installing/installing-community-edition/ https://docs.mesosphere.com/administration/installing/installing-community-edition/

Best regards,
Hongbin




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responded Apr 19, 2016 by mark_at_openstack.or (1,960 points)   1 3
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Hi Mark,

I have went though the announcement in details, From my point of view, it seems to resolve the license issue that was blocking us in before. I have included the Magnum team in ML to see if our team members have any comment.

Thanks for the support from foundation.

Best regards,
Hongbin

From: Mark Collier [mailto:mark@openstack.org]
Sent: April-19-16 12:36 PM
To: Hongbin Lu
Cc: foundation@lists.openstack.org; Guang Ya GY Liu
Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [magnum] Seek advices for a licence issue

Hopefully today’s news that Mesosphere is open major sourcing components of DCOS under an Apache 2.0 license will make things easier:

https://mesosphere.com/blog/2016/04/19/open-source-dcos/

I’ll be interested to hear your take after you have time to look at it in more detail, Hongbin.

Mark

On Apr 9, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Hongbin Lu hongbin.lu@huawei.com wrote:

Hi all,

A brief introduction to myself. I am the Magnum Project Team Lead (PTL). Magnum is the OpenStack container service. I wrote this email because the Magnum team is seeking clarification for a licence issue for shipping third-party software (DCOS [1] in particular) and I was advised to consult OpenStack Board of Directors in this regards.

Before getting into the question, I think it is better to provide some backgroup information. A feature provided by Magnum is to provision container management tool on top of a set of Nova instances. One of the container management tool Magnum supports is Apache Mesos [2]. Generally speaking, Magnum ships Mesos by providing a custom cloud image with the necessary packages pre-installed. So far, all the shipped components are open source with appropriate license, so we are good so far.

Recently, one of our contributors suggested to extend the Mesos support to DCOS [3]. The Magnum team is unclear if there is a license issue for shipping DCOS, which looks like a close-source product but has community version in Amazon Web Services [4]. I want to know what are the appropriate actions Magnum team should take in this pursuit, or we should stop pursuing this direction further? Advices are greatly appreciated. Please let us know if we need to provide further information. Thanks.

[1] https://docs.mesosphere.com/
[2] http://mesos.apache.org/
[3] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-dcos
[4] https://docs.mesosphere.com/administration/installing/installing-community-edition/

Best regards,
Hongbin


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