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Does anyone have a Subj that they might want to share?

I've been trying to create images myself, but have failed
miserably :(.

Preferably Debian GNU/Linux (Jessie) based, but I'm quite
desperate, so I'll even consider a .. shudder CentOS
image! :)
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asked Oct 1, 2016 in openstack by Turbo_Fredriksson (8,980 points)   7 12 15
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On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:00 AM, Amrith Kumar wrote:

I recall from our conversation that you didn't "trust all these *stack builders".
If you are now using a system that is devstack based these images could help.

I still don't do that, it's all hand crafted from scratch. Well, almost -
I still use packages (which do A LOT of the .. 'boring, simple' setup
for me) but that'll change next time. Next time I'm doing it from source
(because I'm embarrassed by the quality of the packages - I did a small
upgrade a few months ago and absolutly everything broke, I had to completely
reinstall the controller)!

That's the only way I can learn! Others might be different and I respect
that, but I need to do this from scratch ("the hard way" if you like) to
be able to gain anything from this - the point wasn't just to "get a test
setup of Openstack up and running" or "setup a test so I can look at it"
but actually setting up a production-like system and to be able to
administrate it and especially fix problems if (when!) they arise! AND to
gain knowledge on how all this works together.

It's been the worst few months in my life (and it's been a long life :)
with almost 24/7 work on getting this in the state it is now, but now that
almost everything works the way I want it, I feel a great satisfaction and
my knowledge of "The Cloud (™)" have been greatly improved and I almost feel
I can put "Cloud Expert Extraordinair" on the CV :D :D.

I wouldn't recommend this to anyone 'green', but anyone that's already bald
(there's going to be a lot of 'hair tearing' and 'head scratching' :) and
those that have a 'bigger purpose' than the immediate setup, oh yeah!

Tried that for over a week. Failed so miserably, it's embarrassing!
Don't know if it's me, the docs or the image builder..

But I do remember that even if (when!) I followed the documentations to the
letter
, it still failed.

Also, some versions of the image builder worked better than others (but I could
not figure out the exact version used by the documenter), so it would be
beneficial to specify the exact versions used when writing the documentation.

And have someone that never done it before do a run-through first - I know
from personal experience that you get .. 'code blind' (for lack of a better
word) when you've worked with a project and try to write the docs - some things
you know 'subconsciously' don't work (or work only in a specific use-case etc)
and then 'automatically' leave that information out..

That is why [good] companies NEVER (ever!!) allow the coders/admins to go
any where near the documentation! In a open source community, that is
unfortunately almost never an option, but it can be mitigated somewhat by
having other people in the community do a run-through.

I can vaguely remember that. I know it failed, but can't remember the details.

That look quite interesting, thanx. I'll try again..

"If you don't succeed, try and try [and try and try ..] again!" :)

OpenStack has guest images suitable for use with devstack[4]
[4] http://tarballs.openstack.org/trove/images/

What does that actually mean? Is it not possible to use these images other
than with devstack? An instance image should be a unique, separate instance
right?


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responded Oct 2, 2016 by Turbo_Fredriksson (8,980 points)   7 12 15
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-----Original Message-----
From: Turbo Fredriksson [mailto:turbo@bayour.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 10:13 AM
To: openstack List openstack@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Trove MySQL v5.[67] images?

On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:00 AM, Amrith Kumar wrote:

I recall from our conversation that you didn't "trust all these *stack
builders".
If you are now using a system that is devstack based these images could
help.

I still don't do that, it's all hand crafted from scratch. Well, almost -
I still use packages (which do A LOT of the .. 'boring, simple' setup
for me) but that'll change next time. Next time I'm doing it from source
(because I'm embarrassed by the quality of the packages - I did a small
upgrade a few months ago and absolutly everything broke, I had to
completely
reinstall the controller)!

That's the only way I can learn! Others might be different and I respect
that, but I need to do this from scratch ("the hard way" if you like) to
be able to gain anything from this - the point wasn't just to "get a test
setup of Openstack up and running" or "setup a test so I can look at it"
but actually setting up a production-like system and to be able to
administrate it and especially fix problems if (when!) they arise! AND to
gain knowledge on how all this works together.

[amrith] As I said in IRC, one doesn't begin a career in aviation by attempting to land a Tomcat on an aircraft carrier in rough seas, but you felt that it would be "fun". I hope you are having "fun".

It's been the worst few months in my life (and it's been a long life :)
with almost 24/7 work on getting this in the state it is now, but now that
almost everything works the way I want it, I feel a great satisfaction and
my knowledge of "The Cloud ((tm))" have been greatly improved and I almost
feel
I can put "Cloud Expert Extraordinair" on the CV :D :D.

I wouldn't recommend this to anyone 'green', but anyone that's already
bald
(there's going to be a lot of 'hair tearing' and 'head scratching' :) and
those that have a 'bigger purpose' than the immediate setup, oh yeah!

Tried that for over a week. Failed so miserably, it's embarrassing!
Don't know if it's me, the docs or the image builder..

But I do remember that even if (when!) I followed the documentations to
the
letter
, it still failed.

Also, some versions of the image builder worked better than others (but I
could
not figure out the exact version used by the documenter), so it would be
beneficial to specify the exact versions used when writing the
documentation.

And have someone that never done it before do a run-through first - I know
from personal experience that you get .. 'code blind' (for lack of a
better
word) when you've worked with a project and try to write the docs - some
things
you know 'subconsciously' don't work (or work only in a specific use-case
etc)
and then 'automatically' leave that information out..

That is why [good] companies NEVER (ever!!) allow the coders/admins to
go
any where near the documentation! In a open source community, that is
unfortunately almost never an option, but it can be mitigated somewhat by
having other people in the community do a run-through.

I can vaguely remember that. I know it failed, but can't remember the
details.

That look quite interesting, thanx. I'll try again..

"If you don't succeed, try and try [and try and try ..] again!" :)

OpenStack has guest images suitable for use with devstack[4]
[4] http://tarballs.openstack.org/trove/images/

What does that actually mean? Is it not possible to use these images other
than with devstack? An instance image should be a unique, separate

[amrith] The paragraph

"OpenStack has guest images suitable for use with devstack[4] (available for download at tarballs.openstack.org) but that would require a devstack based system and I recall from our conversation that you didn't "trust all these *stack builders". If you are now using a system that is devstack based these images could help."

always amounts to the following; if you are using a devstack based system these may help. But since you insist on not doing that, I can only hope that you have "fun". I'd like to help you but you have sought not to take any of it, so there is little else I can do.

instance
right?


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responded Oct 2, 2016 by Amrith_Kumar (10,500 points)   2 4 4
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On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Amrith Kumar wrote:

[amrith] As I said in IRC, one doesn't begin a career in aviation by attempting to land a Tomcat on an aircraft carrier in rough seas, but you felt that it would be "fun". I hope you are having "fun".

No, but you don't start by listening to other people tell stories on how
wonderful it is either.

OpenStack has guest images suitable for use with devstack[4]
[4] http://tarballs.openstack.org/trove/images/

What does that actually mean? Is it not possible to use these images other
than with devstack? An instance image should be a unique, separate

always amounts to the following; if you are using a devstack based system these may help. But since you insist on not doing that, I can only hope that you have "fun". I'd like to help you but you have sought not to take any of it, so there is little else I can do.

But you're not really helping, are you? You keep iterating YOUR belief
system onto me.

If you really wanted to help, you would have started by answering the
actually question - what does "guest images suitable for use with devstack"
mean.

But instead, all I hear is "do it my way or go F yourself". How is
that helping??
--
Geologists recently discovered that "earthquakes" are
nothing more than Bruce Schneier and Chuck Norris
communicating via a roundhouse kick-based cryptosystem.

responded Oct 2, 2016 by Turbo_Fredriksson (8,980 points)   7 12 15
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Excerpts from Turbo Fredriksson's message of 2016-10-02 15:13:02 +0100:

On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:00 AM, Amrith Kumar wrote:

I recall from our conversation that you didn't "trust all these *stack builders".
If you are now using a system that is devstack based these images could help.

I still don't do that, it's all hand crafted from scratch. Well, almost -
I still use packages (which do A LOT of the .. 'boring, simple' setup
for me) but that'll change next time. Next time I'm doing it from source
(because I'm embarrassed by the quality of the packages - I did a small
upgrade a few months ago and absolutly everything broke, I had to completely
reinstall the controller)!

That's the only way I can learn! Others might be different and I respect
that, but I need to do this from scratch ("the hard way" if you like) to
be able to gain anything from this - the point wasn't just to "get a test
setup of Openstack up and running" or "setup a test so I can look at it"
but actually setting up a production-like system and to be able to
administrate it and especially fix problems if (when!) they arise! AND to
gain knowledge on how all this works together.

It's been the worst few months in my life (and it's been a long life :)
with almost 24/7 work on getting this in the state it is now, but now that
almost everything works the way I want it, I feel a great satisfaction and
my knowledge of "The Cloud (™)" have been greatly improved and I almost feel
I can put "Cloud Expert Extraordinair" on the CV :D :D.

I'm sorry you went through that. However, OpenStack is a very welcoming
place, and there are so many deployment projects to choose from, it's
hard to believe anyone can't find one that would be less stressful
than learning every piece down to the metal. It's commendable that you
learned that, but it's also not how any company would ever want to do
OpenStack. Learning to communicate and work together with the community
is a far more important skill. The whole point of OpenStack is all the
existing knowledge that you can build on top of:

https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kolla
http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible/
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Puppet
https://docs.chef.io/openstack.html
https://jujucharms.com/openstack
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStackSalt
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel

Good luck!

responded Oct 2, 2016 by Clint_Byrum (40,940 points)   4 5 9
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-----Original Message-----
From: Turbo Fredriksson [mailto:turbo@bayour.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 12:57 PM
To: openstack List openstack@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Trove MySQL v5.[67] images?

On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Amrith Kumar wrote:

[amrith] As I said in IRC, one doesn't begin a career in aviation by
attempting to land a Tomcat on an aircraft carrier in rough seas, but you
felt that it would be "fun". I hope you are having "fun".

No, but you don't start by listening to other people tell stories on how
wonderful it is either.

[amrith] To each their own. To use your words, that is your "belief system".

OpenStack has guest images suitable for use with devstack[4]
[4] http://tarballs.openstack.org/trove/images/

What does that actually mean? Is it not possible to use these images
other
than with devstack? An instance image should be a unique, separate

always amounts to the following; if you are using a devstack based
system these may help. But since you insist on not doing that, I can only
hope that you have "fun". I'd like to help you but you have sought not to
take any of it, so there is little else I can do.

But you're not really helping, are you? You keep iterating YOUR belief
system onto me.

If you really wanted to help, you would have started by answering the
actually question - what does "guest images suitable for use with
devstack"
mean.

But instead, all I hear is "do it my way or go F yourself". How is
that helping??

[amrith] Here's where you misunderstand things. I don't have anything else to give you. I'm not reiterating my "belief system" to you, I'm merely stating the fact that the images were built for use with a devstack based system. Will they work with yours, yes, they may but I doubt it. Will they fail, I think it is highly likely but I can't guarantee it. What do you want me to say other than that they are made for use with devstack based systems.

I have given you all the documents that we have; and these are documents contributed by people (like yourself). The document I referenced in my email as [2] is one such. I have told you what I've found to work for most people. Others (I see some others on the trove channel did the same) have sent you the same references. You may be extraordinary (you say so yourself) and a different path may be suitable for you; I'll tell you candidly that I'm not equipped or qualified to guide you through that path to discovery.

What you seem to want is customized help taking the path you have chosen; I'm sorry, I can't join you on that adventure so I wish you well. What part of that is, as you say "do it my way or ...".

--
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responded Oct 2, 2016 by Amrith_Kumar (10,500 points)   2 4 4
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On Oct 2, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Amrith Kumar wrote:

Will they work with yours, yes, they may but I doubt it. Will they fail, I think it is highly likely but I can't guarantee it. What do you want me to say other than that they are made for use with devstack based systems.

Exactly that! Thank you, I appreciate that. Now I know that there is
no point in even trying a "devstack image". Which was exactly what
I wanted to know. Nothing more, nothing less.

THAT was the answer to the question "what does 'devstack image' actually
mean".

I have told you what I've found to work for most people.

And the reason why I [keep] asking for help, is that I'm unfortunately
not "most people" :(

I'll tell you candidly that I'm not equipped or qualified to guide you through that path to discovery.

Very well, that's unfortunate.

What part of that is, as you say "do it my way or ...".

Nothing. But it takes a while for you to actually answer the question (four
mails?), and in the proces, you DO keep saying "do it my way, or else" (even
if it's not in so many words)..

If you don't know the answer to a/the question, that is a shame, but perfectly
ok. Don't answer it, not even with an answer to a question I did not ask.
My question was not "how do I get Trove to work". In which case, if you
had not already known that I do not want to use *stack, a "use devstack
and these images" would have been a valid answer. But since you DID know
this...

Leave it be, and let someone else (that might actually DO know the answer)
answer it.

My original question is still valid though:

Do anyone have a [non-*stack, working] Trove image with MySQL v5.[67] that
they could consider sharing with me?
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responded Oct 2, 2016 by Turbo_Fredriksson (8,980 points)   7 12 15
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Production ready will not be deployed from source.

Just my 2 cents.

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 02 ott 2016, alle ore 18:36, Amrith Kumar amrith@tesora.com ha scritto:

-----Original Message-----
From: Turbo Fredriksson [mailto:turbo@bayour.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 10:13 AM
To: openstack List openstack@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Trove MySQL v5.[67] images?

On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:00 AM, Amrith Kumar wrote:

I recall from our conversation that you didn't "trust all these *stack
builders".
If you are now using a system that is devstack based these images could
help.

I still don't do that, it's all hand crafted from scratch. Well, almost -
I still use packages (which do A LOT of the .. 'boring, simple' setup
for me) but that'll change next time. Next time I'm doing it from source
(because I'm embarrassed by the quality of the packages - I did a small
upgrade a few months ago and absolutly everything broke, I had to
completely
reinstall the controller)!

That's the only way I can learn! Others might be different and I respect
that, but I need to do this from scratch ("the hard way" if you like) to
be able to gain anything from this - the point wasn't just to "get a test
setup of Openstack up and running" or "setup a test so I can look at it"
but actually setting up a production-like system and to be able to
administrate it and especially fix problems if (when!) they arise! AND to
gain knowledge on how all this works together.

[amrith] As I said in IRC, one doesn't begin a career in aviation by attempting to land a Tomcat on an aircraft carrier in rough seas, but you felt that it would be "fun". I hope you are having "fun".

It's been the worst few months in my life (and it's been a long life :)
with almost 24/7 work on getting this in the state it is now, but now that
almost everything works the way I want it, I feel a great satisfaction and
my knowledge of "The Cloud ((tm))" have been greatly improved and I almost
feel
I can put "Cloud Expert Extraordinair" on the CV :D :D.

I wouldn't recommend this to anyone 'green', but anyone that's already
bald
(there's going to be a lot of 'hair tearing' and 'head scratching' :) and
those that have a 'bigger purpose' than the immediate setup, oh yeah!

Tried that for over a week. Failed so miserably, it's embarrassing!
Don't know if it's me, the docs or the image builder..

But I do remember that even if (when!) I followed the documentations to
the
letter
, it still failed.

Also, some versions of the image builder worked better than others (but I
could
not figure out the exact version used by the documenter), so it would be
beneficial to specify the exact versions used when writing the
documentation.

And have someone that never done it before do a run-through first - I know
from personal experience that you get .. 'code blind' (for lack of a
better
word) when you've worked with a project and try to write the docs - some
things
you know 'subconsciously' don't work (or work only in a specific use-case
etc)
and then 'automatically' leave that information out..

That is why [good] companies NEVER (ever!!) allow the coders/admins to
go
any where near the documentation! In a open source community, that is
unfortunately almost never an option, but it can be mitigated somewhat by
having other people in the community do a run-through.

I can vaguely remember that. I know it failed, but can't remember the
details.

That look quite interesting, thanx. I'll try again..

"If you don't succeed, try and try [and try and try ..] again!" :)

OpenStack has guest images suitable for use with devstack[4]
[4] http://tarballs.openstack.org/trove/images/

What does that actually mean? Is it not possible to use these images other
than with devstack? An instance image should be a unique, separate

[amrith] The paragraph

"OpenStack has guest images suitable for use with devstack[4] (available for download at tarballs.openstack.org) but that would require a devstack based system and I recall from our conversation that you didn't "trust all these *stack builders". If you are now using a system that is devstack based these images could help."

always amounts to the following; if you are using a devstack based system these may help. But since you insist on not doing that, I can only hope that you have "fun". I'd like to help you but you have sought not to take any of it, so there is little else I can do.

instance
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responded Oct 2, 2016 by Remo_Mattei (10,500 points)   1 2 4
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On Oct 2, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Remo Mattei wrote:

Production ready will not be deployed from source.

Not surprised, but why not?
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You're either invisible or in trouble.
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responded Oct 2, 2016 by Turbo_Fredriksson (8,980 points)   7 12 15
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On 03/10/16 09:28, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:

On Oct 2, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Remo Mattei wrote:

Production ready will not be deployed from source.
Not surprised, but why not?

As I understand it, the devstack images (last time I looked...Kilo or
Liberty) :

  • attempt to rsync trove guestagent binaries from (probably) hosts
    running the trove scheduler/taskmanager
  • (perhaps) expect to be able to rsync as user stack

...now the deployment documentation stated that such a setup was not
suitable for production. i.e a 'proper' trove guest image should have
the guestagent package installed.

I think a bit more help supplied to Turbo would be good (we say that
Openstack is a welcoming place for new comers...we haven't quite lived
up to that in this thread I feel)

Best wishes

Mark

responded Oct 3, 2016 by Mark_Kirkwood (5,760 points)   1 8 13
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On Oct 2, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:

My original question is still valid though:

Do anyone have a [non-*stack, working] Trove image with MySQL v5.[67] that
they could consider sharing with me?

No response for almost a week.. Either no one is using Trove (successfully)
or people don't want to share..

Both choices begs questions, but I guess I have to give up on this again.
I don't know if it's bugs in Trove, the guest image or my configuration
that's faulty, but every single attempt is met by an ERROR.
--
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innan man skiter.
- Arne Anka

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