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[Openstack-operators] 2017 Openstack Operators Mid-Cycle Meetups - venue selection etherpads

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Hello Everyone,

Here are etherpads for the collection of venue hosting proposals and
assessment:

https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-spring-2017
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-aug-2017

For your reference, the previous etherpad (for august 2016 was eventually
was decided to be in NYC) was :

https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss

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asked Oct 20, 2016 in openstack-operators by Chris_Morgan (3,200 points)   3 3
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Reminder!

If you're interested in hosting the Feb/March Ops Meetup, get your
proposal in by November 7th! Feel free to ask for help :)

Regards,

Tom

On 廿十六年十月廿日 暮 11:51, Chris Morgan wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Here are etherpads for the collection of venue hosting proposals and
assessment:

https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-spring-2017
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-aug-2017

For your reference, the previous etherpad (for august 2016 was
eventually was decided to be in NYC) was :

https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss

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responded Oct 25, 2016 by Tom_Fifield (13,880 points)   2 3 5
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responded Oct 27, 2016 by omgjlk_at_us.ibm.com (380 points)  
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The PTG is for devs to get together and get real work done. We would be a
distraction from that goal. They will also be attending the forum which
will run with the summits and will be able to spend more time in groups
with ops for requirements gathering and such.

-Erik

On Oct 27, 2016 11:05 AM, "Jesse Keating" omgjlk@us.ibm.com wrote:

I may have missed something, but why aren't we meeting at the Project
Technical Gathering, which is at the end of February in Atlanta?

I understand that this mid-cycle is targeting EU, which is totally
awesome; and if that happens, will there also be operator focused sessions
and such at the PTG?
-jlk

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From: Tom Fifield tom@openstack.org
To: Chris Morgan mihalis68@gmail.com, OpenStack Operators <
OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org>
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Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] 2017 Openstack Operators Mid-Cycle
Meetups - venue selection etherpads
Date: Tue, Oct 25, 2016 6:47 PM

Reminder!

If you're interested in hosting the Feb/March Ops Meetup, get your
proposal in by November 7th! Feel free to ask for help :)

Regards,

Tom

On 廿十六年十月廿日 暮 11:51, Chris Morgan wrote:

Hello Everyone,

Here are etherpads for the collection of venue hosting proposals and
assessment:

https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-spring-2017
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-aug-2017

For your reference, the previous etherpad (for august 2016 was
eventually was decided to be in NYC) was :

https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss

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responded Oct 27, 2016 by Erik_McCormick (3,880 points)   3 5
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Being a 'distraction' isn't exactly the issue.

The ptg/ops-midcycle events are focused inward so where the 'forum' (summit-thing) as focused across. The hope is this make us both more effective in both directions.

So there's no need to collocate. Additionally collocation would require bigger, more expensive, more difficult to site venues.

Also agreed location is 'not north america'. There's APAC and EU proposals. Since it's sandwiched between EU summit and NA summit I'd advocate an APAC midcyle to spread the love, but that's IMHO...

On October 27, 2016 11:08:24 AM GMT+02:00, Erik McCormick emccormick@cirrusseven.com wrote:

The PTG is for devs to get together and get real work done. We would be
a
distraction from that goal. They will also be attending the forum which
will run with the summits and will be able to spend more time in groups
with ops for requirements gathering and such.

-Erik

On Oct 27, 2016 11:05 AM, "Jesse Keating" omgjlk@us.ibm.com wrote:

I may have missed something, but why aren't we meeting at the Project
Technical Gathering, which is at the end of February in Atlanta?

I understand that this mid-cycle is targeting EU, which is totally
awesome; and if that happens, will there also be operator focused
sessions
and such at the PTG?
-jlk

----- Original message -----
From: Tom Fifield tom@openstack.org
To: Chris Morgan mihalis68@gmail.com, OpenStack Operators <
OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org>
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] 2017 Openstack Operators Mid-Cycle
Meetups - venue selection etherpads
Date: Tue, Oct 25, 2016 6:47 PM

Reminder!

If you're interested in hosting the Feb/March Ops Meetup, get your
proposal in by November 7th! Feel free to ask for help :)

Regards,

Tom

On 廿十六年十月廿日 暮 11:51, Chris Morgan wrote:

Hello Everyone,

Here are etherpads for the collection of venue hosting proposals
and
assessment:

https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-spring-2017

https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-aug-2017

For your reference, the previous etherpad (for august 2016 was
eventually was decided to be in NYC) was :

https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss

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responded Oct 27, 2016 by jon_at_csail.mit.edu (4,720 points)   1 5 7
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On 27/10/16 11:08, Erik McCormick wrote:
The PTG is for devs to get together and get real work done. We would be
a distraction from that goal. They will also be attending the forum
which will run with the summits and will be able to spend more time in
groups with ops for requirements gathering and such.

-Erik

On Oct 27, 2016 11:05 AM, "Jesse Keating" <omgjlk@us.ibm.com
omgjlk@us.ibm.com> wrote:

I may have missed something, but why aren't we meeting at the
Project Technical Gathering, which is at the end of February in Atlanta?

From my experience with OpenStack, feedback from operators have been
invaluable.

You can easily run things in devstack (or all-in-one deployments), but
this is completely different from running in scale. Operators do tell
you, were the pain-points are. Having a dedicated gathering without
involving actual operators/users is not that useful IMO.

Matthias
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responded Oct 27, 2016 by Matthias_Runge (6,700 points)   1 2 4
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responded Oct 31, 2016 by omgjlk_at_us.ibm.com (380 points)  
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Hello,

The PTG is for developers to work on items needed for the release and to get together in person to discuss any open topics that they could not resolved during the IRC meetings.
The Forum which is at the same week and place that the OpenStack Conference (for instance the next one in Boston) will provide the opportunity to provide direct feedback to the developers on the latest release and features for each project.

More details here:
https://www.openstack.org/ptg/

This is why we still need to have the Ops mid-cycle Meet-up. This is discussed and clarified during the Ops session in BCN.

Now, when I mentioned above “PTG is for developers” I do not want to exclude anyone. If you feel like attending the PTG I am pretty sure you will be welcome as long as the space is large enough for the ATC members.
BTW. When we compare last time the number of AUCs that are also ATC we found that a total of 38% are both.

Thanks,

Edgar

On 10/27/16, 5:31 AM, "Matthias Runge" mrunge@redhat.com wrote:

On 27/10/16 11:08, Erik McCormick wrote:

The PTG is for devs to get together and get real work done. We would be
a distraction from that goal. They will also be attending the forum
which will run with the summits and will be able to spend more time in
groups with ops for requirements gathering and such.

-Erik

On Oct 27, 2016 11:05 AM, "Jesse Keating" <omgjlk@us.ibm.com
omgjlk@us.ibm.com> wrote:

I may have missed something, but why aren't we meeting at the
Project Technical Gathering, which is at the end of February in Atlanta?

From my experience with OpenStack, feedback from operators have been
invaluable.

You can easily run things in devstack (or all-in-one deployments), but
this is completely different from running in scale. Operators do tell
you, were the pain-points are. Having a dedicated gathering without
involving actual operators/users is not that useful IMO.

Matthias
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responded Oct 31, 2016 by Edgar_Magana (13,760 points)   2 6 6
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Jesse Keating wrote:
This has been my experience as well. I purposefully attend the project
fishbowl sessions and often the project mid cycles to be able to provide
real time operator feedback as future plans are discussed and
retrospectives from the previous release are held.

Note that Fishbowl sessions, discussion of future plans and
retrospectives from the previous release will be held at the Forum.

The PTG will be workroom sessions (without a preset schedule) and
focused on immediate implementation plans. Operators are welcome to join
(especially if they feel part of a specific upstream project team and
used to attend that team midcycles) but should probably prioritize
attending the Summit (Forum) and ops midcycle(s) events.

Given a choice between attending either the Ops mid cycle or the PTG, I
see far more value in the PTG, which will be held at a very similar time.

I doubt there will be more value for you in the PTG, but to open options
for those who want to attend everything, I guess it wouldn't hurt to
place them on separate weeks.

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responded Nov 1, 2016 by Thierry_Carrez (57,480 points)   3 9 16
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On Oct 31, 2016 1:13 PM, "Jesse Keating" omgjlk@us.ibm.com wrote:

This has been my experience as well. I purposefully attend the project
fishbowl sessions and often the project mid cycles to be able to provide
real time operator feedback as future plans are discussed and
retrospectives from the previous release are held.

Right but the point is thise fishbowl won't be held at the PTG as I
understand it. It's more like Friday at the Design Summit. Those fishbowl
type sessions are meant to occur at the Forum.

Given a choice between attending either the Ops mid cycle or the PTG, I
see far more value in the PTG, which will be held at a very similar time.
-jlk

Maybe you should ask over in the dev list and see if that would be at all
appreciated or useful. I'd be interested in their perspective.

-Erik

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Meetups - venue selection etherpads
Date: Thu, Oct 27, 2016 5:33 AM

On 27/10/16 11:08, Erik McCormick wrote:

The PTG is for devs to get together and get real work done. We would be
a distraction from that goal. They will also be attending the forum
which will run with the summits and will be able to spend more time in
groups with ops for requirements gathering and such.

-Erik

On Oct 27, 2016 11:05 AM, "Jesse Keating" <omgjlk@us.ibm.com
omgjlk@us.ibm.com> wrote:

I may have missed something, but why aren't we meeting at the
Project Technical Gathering, which is at the end of February in

Atlanta?

From my experience with OpenStack, feedback from operators have been
invaluable.

You can easily run things in devstack (or all-in-one deployments), but
this is completely different from running in scale. Operators do tell
you, were the pain-points are. Having a dedicated gathering without
involving actual operators/users is not that useful IMO.

Matthias
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